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  1. OASIS Message Queuing Telemetry Transport (MQTT) TC
  2. MQTT-14

Tighten up language in Quality of Service levels and flows

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    • Type: Improvement
    • Status: Closed
    • Priority: Minor
    • Resolution: Fixed
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    • Fix Version/s: None
    • Component/s: core
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      Remove sentence 1205 &1224 from "In the case of the Server it MUST make sure that it can honour the Qos requirements of the onward delivery" as this obvious and explained elsewhere in the spec.

      Replace with "On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its Qos properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers."

      Originally reported under MQTT google group. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/13ec114a841305d9

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      Remove sentence 1205 &1224 from "In the case of the Server it MUST make sure that it can honour the Qos requirements of the onward delivery" as this obvious and explained elsewhere in the spec. Replace with "On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its Qos properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers." Originally reported under MQTT google group. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/13ec114a841305d9

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      It was today reported in MQTT google group. https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/13ec114a841305d9

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      The spec explains (http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/webservices/ws-mqtt/mqtt-v3r1.html#qos-flows) that when a message is published to the server with qos 1 the server should persist it, deliver it to all subscribers, delete the message and then puback.

      Does this require the server to wait for puback from all subscribers which subscribed with qos1 before sending puback to the original publisher? What about disconnected qos1 subscribers, are they exempted?

      My concern is that the pub/puback takes a whole lot longer in this case, without any extra reliability benefits. Couldn't the server send puback as soon as the message is persisted?
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      Language in specification needs to be tightened up

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          raphcohn Raphael Cohen (Inactive) added a comment -

          Well, this is very important. It is not just performance that's affected, but the asynchronous nature and advantages of MQTT itself. It affects separation of concerns.

          A server, once it believes it has made a durable record of a received QoS 1 (or 2, for that matter), message, should acknowledge that fact. If it can't then deliver it immediately to some or all subscribers, then that's its responsibility. The broker (server) is exactly that - a middle man on behalf of sending and receiving clients - two different concerns, with two separate deliveries.

          Otherwise, the protocol becomes nothing more than a glorified synchronous TCP concentrator or 'real time' chat. What's the point of then persisting? The complexities of how to deal with 'not connected' are terrible in this case. And it would potentially force broker designs to iterate over all known subscribers for all persistence operations. Horrid - especially if the map of subscriptions is volatile due to high rates of churn...

          The broker should always puback as soon as a message has been received and successfully made durable.

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          raphcohn Raphael Cohen (Inactive) added a comment - Well, this is very important. It is not just performance that's affected, but the asynchronous nature and advantages of MQTT itself. It affects separation of concerns. A server, once it believes it has made a durable record of a received QoS 1 (or 2, for that matter), message, should acknowledge that fact. If it can't then deliver it immediately to some or all subscribers, then that's its responsibility. The broker (server) is exactly that - a middle man on behalf of sending and receiving clients - two different concerns, with two separate deliveries. Otherwise, the protocol becomes nothing more than a glorified synchronous TCP concentrator or 'real time' chat. What's the point of then persisting? The complexities of how to deal with 'not connected' are terrible in this case. And it would potentially force broker designs to iterate over all known subscribers for all persistence operations. Horrid - especially if the map of subscriptions is volatile due to high rates of churn... The broker should always puback as soon as a message has been received and successfully made durable.
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          coppen Richard Coppen (Inactive) added a comment -

          moved to core

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          coppen Richard Coppen (Inactive) added a comment - moved to core
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          julien.niset Julien Niset (Inactive) added a comment -

          A related comment that might need clarification is the action of the server when a PUBLISH message arrives with the DUP flag set to 1 (with QoS = 1).

          The spec says in line 1834 : "When it receives a duplicate message from the client, the server republishes the message to the subscribers, and sends another PUBACK message."

          However, as it is possible to subscribe to a topic with a lower QoS than the publication, there could be subscriptions with QoS = 0 that are no supposed to receive duplicate messages. If they do, it would contradict the "At most once" definition of QoS = 0.

          From the subscriber with QoS = 0 point of view, one can consider this duplicate message as a new message (in particular as there is no messageID), but it is nonetheless a duplicate of the content of the message.

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          julien.niset Julien Niset (Inactive) added a comment - A related comment that might need clarification is the action of the server when a PUBLISH message arrives with the DUP flag set to 1 (with QoS = 1). The spec says in line 1834 : "When it receives a duplicate message from the client, the server republishes the message to the subscribers, and sends another PUBACK message." However, as it is possible to subscribe to a topic with a lower QoS than the publication, there could be subscriptions with QoS = 0 that are no supposed to receive duplicate messages. If they do, it would contradict the "At most once" definition of QoS = 0. From the subscriber with QoS = 0 point of view, one can consider this duplicate message as a new message (in particular as there is no messageID), but it is nonetheless a duplicate of the content of the message.
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          coppen Richard Coppen (Inactive) added a comment -

          Take to TC call 19.09.2013

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          coppen Richard Coppen (Inactive) added a comment - Take to TC call 19.09.2013
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          ragupta2 Rahul Gupta (Inactive) added a comment -

          deleted "In the case of the Server it MUST make sure that it can honour the Qos requirements of the onward delivery" from lines 1257 and 1278

          new statements look like
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          The receiver is not required to complete delivery of the Application Message before sending the PUBACK. On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its QoS properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers.

          The receiver is not required to complete delivery of the Application Message before sending the PUBREC or PUBCOMP. On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its Qos properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers.

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          ragupta2 Rahul Gupta (Inactive) added a comment - deleted "In the case of the Server it MUST make sure that it can honour the Qos requirements of the onward delivery" from lines 1257 and 1278 new statements look like ---------------------------------- The receiver is not required to complete delivery of the Application Message before sending the PUBACK. On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its QoS properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers. The receiver is not required to complete delivery of the Application Message before sending the PUBREC or PUBCOMP. On receipt, ownership of the Application Message is transferred to the Server. The Server MUST store the message in accordance to its Qos properties and ensure onward delivery to applicable subscribers.

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              ragupta2 Rahul Gupta (Inactive)
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